HOW DO I FORGIVE????

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I just spent the weekend with my Mum for her birthday, it really was like spending the weekend with a complete stranger. She has only seen my boys twice this year not including the weekend, she never calls…she is just never here. We felt like a nuisance and my 3 ½ year old kept asking to go home, I really feel like I can’t put him through it anymore. Its bad enough my MIL comes up most Sundays and ignores my son and tells him to be quiet she came to see his daddy, I just feel so angry right now!

When I got sick I can barely remember a moment when she spoke to me or came to visit or helped me at all. I had to wait 5 months after surgery for treatment and the only person I knew I could stay with in Sydney was my Mum, so I did it. I think it was the most time I had spent with her in 9 months or more. She was hardly ever home anyway…when I had to go to the hospital for RAI she just dropped me off to the waiting room with my bags and left.

I am struggling with all of this I can’t understand how a mother can be this way to her child and grandchildren in turn. I am a mum and I would not leave my children side, I would respect there journey, adore their children and make an effort!

I just had to get that off my chest, I admit very publicly; but I think in order for me to move forward I need to get this emotional baggage out there so that I can move on from it. I am sick of the all consuming ridiculousness of my family, they alone have made my journey prolonged and difficult.

I am hoping putting this out there might enable me to get a different perspective on the last 3 years, that my journey will suddenly progress into the place I need to go.

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Hi Amanda, i dont really know what to say but i usually only see my parents once a week and they only live 5 mins from me,and all my dad does is yell at my kids to shutup, so im glad i dont see him that much and my mum doesnt spend any time with my kids when she is here. My inlaws are the same as your story, i havent seen my MIL for nearly 18mths as she hates me for apparently making her son {my hubby} spend all of his time caring for me as ive been sick for a while, my kids dont call either sets grandparents. How do you forgive and Forget and move on ? That is one thing i would like to know, all my friends have great mother in laws and mine just sux and sometimes i get jealous but im just trying to forget all about her. Does anyone else have this problem?

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Sham,

Thanks for your reply I really feel like the only person in the world with a crap mum and MIL most of the time. While I am not happy someone else goes through the same stuff its nice to know I am not alone.

My MIL always tells me her son got cancer because he had to look after me when I was sick and that he stuck by me which is good for a young man to do...WTF!!!!!! I can feel the rage burning again I have to stop myself.

I guess the good thing is our kids have loving devoted parents and that is so important, our kids don't dwell on our lack of energy or when we are sick they think of all the great things we do and cherish the time we spend with them. So I guess our parents and in laws are the ones who loose, they miss out on being a part of their very important lives.

Thanks you for sharing your story with me, I have spent the last few days in a complete haze of anxiety/depression about it all I am feeling a little better that someone herd my story.

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Hi Amanda, i am also glad, now i dont feel so alone, I kinda had a laugh to myself when you wrote that its our parents and inlaws that miss out. My brother got married approx 2.5 weeks ago and my mum actually nursed my 2.5year old bubba to sleep, she then looked at me and said, gosh i cant believe hes gotten so big. When he was born youd think every1 wanted a cuddle? How wrong was i? no-one wanted a cuddle, my eldest child {Joshua} is 13 years old next month and all my parents say to me is "oh dont they grow up so fast" and "oh weve missed out on so much" but to me and as harsh as it may sound i dont think that they qualify for grandparent status. My kids actually asked me when i got diaganosed with cancer if they could hire grandparents somewhere as their friends grandparents are great and they think theirs sux. When i have my next op in sept my father was going to be my carer but my kids have all said they dont want him here at their home, they will do all the chores that i cant do, Gosh my kids are great!!!!! I love them soooooooooo much!!!!!

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Hi Amanda and Sham.

Things aren't ideal with my family either. To cool the burning in my chest when I'm overwhelmed by their 'f***ness' I say my favourite saying: It is what it is.
I can't control them. It isn't fair, how dare they, this is just f*****! But, I can't change them, so it is what is and I can only change how I react to it.
My husbands family served us with an eviction notice 10 days after Andy was buried.We have been renting their home for 14 years.
So now, 6 weeks after losing my husband, I'm expected to pack up my children and our things and move on.
Oh well...it is what it is....I'm relying on karma to get them...and I'm going to sue the crap out of them! Smile

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Hey Sally,

Your story really is heartbreaking. I hope the you and the universe dish out a decent serve of karma on Andy's family. Sounds like they deserve it.

Steve

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Sally I agree karma will get them in the end...i want to kick your in-laws up the butt. I have figured it out! so many people of our parents era are selfish self absorbed b****ds and they have alot to answer for.

I hope your move is going OK and that the kids see it as an adventure rather than the harsh reality of what it is. Will they still see their grandparents?

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Hello Amanda,

I found this thread interesting because it touches on something I researched into for my book, and that is how our families and traumas suffered can seriously affect our health. Just out of interest, how is/was your relationship with your family/mother generally? I believe the pain and loneliness a child suffers through being mistreated manifests itself later as illness. I was abandoned by my biological mother when I was 7. After surfing the social care system for over 2 years I was adopted by my new family, but my new mother was abusive in that she didn't love me. All of that pain had to surface somewhere. I got cancer when I was 15. Miraculously I survived it against all the odds. About five years ago I lost my biological mother to cancer, got divorced, and then lost my little sister to cancer; she was only 21. Not surprisingly, I developed cancer again - this time inflammatory bc. The connection in my mind between inner sorrow and illness could not be ignored and I went on a hunt for all the information I could find relating to this topic. I was astounded by how much evidence there is. Finding out what I have, I've been on a mission to heal my inner child - to push away those mountains and make space for me on my terms. I had help through healing, counselling, yoga exercise and joining a support group. I will never feel shiny and new, but I am definitely shining a lot more than I used to and can find happiness in all the bleakness around me. I don't know if you can relate any of my story to yours - just thought it was worth a stab. LLx

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loralee,

Its funny you should mention the connection between illness and hurt, I have also been investigating this alot lately. I keep thinking what it is my husband and I have in common that could possibly have made us both get cancer, the answer seems to be our terrible upbringings. I spend alot of time right now investigating different avenues to express our anger ect and move forward in a positive way. We already do yoga but I am making more of an effort, along with our kids we are creating a loving nurturing environment in our home and actually I am keen to read your book...will have ot get a copy Smile

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Wow - your husband had cancer at the same time? That must have been an extremely intense time for you. Do you feel it brought you closer? I found the relationship with my partner became extremely strained during treatment and after.

I had a look and you can find my book in Australia through: http://www.fishpond.com.au/advanced_search_result.php?author=Lora%20Lee%...

I hope you get a chance to read it. I'd love to hear your thoughts on my twist to cancer. Love LLx

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We had cancer a year or so apart not at the same time but yeah it can put strain on the relationship, for us its made us stronger. Its all about working out priorities and for me my marriage was one of them. Thanks for the link to your book in oz.

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Hi LL,

your book sounds facinating!

I have just checked the link for your book and unfortunately it is not available through this site. do you have another link that it is available through for us Aussies to get a copy of?

BTW, i see that you live in the UK. i would love to know how you came across our cancer connections site here and the YAC section?

Best, Nikki

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hi Nikki!

My book is supposed to be available through: http://www.fishpond.com.au/advanced_search_result.php?author=Lora%20Lee%...

If you can't find it there - please try Amazon Smile

I found your site through Twitter. I keep trying to find a site where ppl accept me and treat me as one of their own... more difficult than I thought it would be. I'm an American living in the UK.

I keep hoping I'll be accepted somewhere Smile LLx

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Ahhh there in lies the problem loralee you should have moved to Australia, us convicts are much more accepting Wink

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Well, I often think of changing countries again, and I was quite the rebel teenager... I'd fit right in! Smile LLx

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hi LL,

ahhh the beauty of twitter Smile glad you found us there!

like Amanda says... we will take you!! come hang with us.

this is the message from the site you provided above ...

"This title is currently unavailable for purchase as none of our regular suppliers have stock available."

likewise i just jumped onto Amazon, as you suggested and they also said... "Sign up to be notified when this item becomes available."

any other suggestions?

Nikki

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Yes, of ocurse, the book is being printed as I type this and will be ready in about a week, so please do order through Amazon. Don't give up on me yet Smile
LLxxx

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Welcome to the group loralee! it doesn't matter where your from, we're all here for the same reason.

Looking forward to reading your book too

Steve

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hey gals,

i don't know or begin to know what you all must feel or have gone through, as i am so fortunate to have a very caring mother.

i praise your honesty and bravery in each of your situations... it breaks my heart to hear each of your stories.

i am so glad you have a place like this site that helps you connect, discuss and relate your life issues with each other.

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Thanks nikki for your reply, its good to get it out I have to say pasrt of the healing is just being herd. So I can now tick it off the list Smile

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my heart goes out to all of you , such sad stories Amanda and Sham your parents and MIL are so missing out on all the good things with the children,and the family unbelieveable. Sally, what can I say OMG!!!!!!! what is going threw these peoples minds, I am speechless I cannot beleive a grandparent could do that.You just stay strong for you and the children, I do think it is something to do with that era my MIL we would be lucky to see once a year, we will here from her for birthdays but that is it, I feel so sad for my daughter to up until this year she had never stayed at their place,or been asked, and they don't take an intrest in anything she does. Lucky for her she has my mum and dad who are a later model in there 80s the others are in there 60, she has two grand parents who have been there at every milestone in her life, ready to cheer her on, we speek every day they are the most unselfish people in the world and the most caring, I cannot say enoungh about them, all the time I was sick mum and dad were there ready to help, or drive me to an appointment nothing was too much. I am so lucky

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Amanda and Sham I cannot imagine how much worse the whole situation must be for you. When I was diagnosed my parents (in their 8o's) were the most badly affected. My problem was with, my then 18 year old son, who just didn't want to have anything to do with the problem.Maybe his way of dealing with problems in general - don't know. During treatment, my parents would spend the last 2 hours in the clinic with me and then take me for lunch before I felt too ill to eat.

I feel very privileged to have my family and humbled by your stories and feel that in this great karmic universe it will come to pass that you and your children will be stronger and have wonderful resilient and loving children. As for your families, they are the ones missing out on knowing amazing people.

Samex

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Hi again Samex.
You're right, it will make our children more stronger. I used to believe in karma but now I'm not so sure.
But I do know that if people don't give, they wont receive. They've missed out on being loved by the kids and I-and we got a lot of love to give!!!
Lizoyle, my husband's father passed away late last year and his mum has dementia. It's his brother and sister(mother's power of attorney) who are throwing us out.
Some people become blinded by $$$$$$$$$$$$!
Here, we all know that money can't buy heath and cash don't buy time.
They'll realise this someday.

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Sallyz I am so sorry to hear you lost your FIL and husband so close together, gosh dimentia is a hard one. My grandad passed away 2 years ago after a long battle with dementia and my FIL passed away a few weeks later unexpectadly amidst treatment for bowel cancer. Believe it or not a few months after that my husband was diagnosed with testicular cancer as well.

Your BIL and SIL will be still thirsty even when their mum goes, but as you say money doesn't buy time or health and sure won't buy love. It is their loss and your kids won't have feelings for them when they get over themselves and decide to return.

My uncle who is power of attorney over my grandparents affairs actually kicked us out of the family house we were looking after, when my son was 4 months old and i was awaiting treatment after my thyroidectomy. I no longer have a place for them in my heart and it is sad but on the plus side my kids have never known them.

You have really been through so much in a short space of time, big hugs to you and your family. You seem to have coped very well, what a strong amazing woman you are XX

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Amanda, Oh my God!
I can't believe people could be such arseholes! I thought my darling in-laws were one in a million!
I just want to lay in bed for a month and grieve the loss of my husband, the loss of my kids Daddy. Instead my days are spent at the accountant, working (sent back to work by the accountant!), solicitor appointments, all that is involved legally when your partner dies and raising my kids.
I'm tired and just want to cry, stuff my face with hot chips, and cry some more.
...I suppose it is what it is.

By the way, can you tell me about the expressive writing group please-sounds inticing!

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It just dawned on me as I scrolled through our comments how young we all are. Is cancer becoming more common in younger people, or is that a new topic? LLx

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Loralee looks like you need to post a new blog...that discussion I am sure could go to some interesting places on here. Look forwrd to seeing your post Smile

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Dear Amanda,
I so related to your original post about forgiveness. Cancer has this way of bringing out the best and worst in people. Its also a time when our sensitivity is heightened, so we notice the things people do and dont do much more.
Forgiveness is key to the healing process, but clearly you know this. Acknowledging that there is a forgivenes which needs to occur is the first step. And you have done that. Give yourself some credit and also a break. When we have been betrayed deeply and let down like you have by someone we are supposed to be loved by and love, it can be more like a process to forgive, and not the immediate unburdening event we wish it would be. It may take time.
I suggest you talk yourself through it every time the thoughts come to your mind. We all run the mind dvd of the things which have hurt us, events we wish could have been different, things people said and did to us which hurt us. We re-live these over and over like playing a movie. Part of forgiving is letting these thoughts go - breaking the circle they run in. They go round and round until we let them go. We can acknowledge the occurence and the feelings that go with it, and even allow ourselves to feel that hurt, cry, be indignant and angry. But then its beneficial to allow the next stage to come, which is grief.
You will maybe need to grieve this relationship Amanda, because its like a little death has occured for you. This mother-daughter realtionship you both could have shared and which could have been drawn upon in your time of need (cancer) has been shown to be not everything you rightly hoped it would be and could be. Your expectation that your mum would support you the way you hoped she would is not unrealistic in the respect that its natural you would expect her to be supportive and caring. But in light of how she has behaved instead, its clear you will in future have to adjust your expectations. Thats sad for you both, especially you because its you feeling this loss. Its been unfair, but it is how it is. Acceptance is the first step to forgiveness. If you can accept that your mum did not set out to hurt you or do you wrong, that she merely did what she did for whatever reason, then you may be able to se her in a new light - with compassion. That might be an appropriate way to see someone who had a role to fulfil but missed out on their opportunity to shine? She had a great opportunity to shine, and be a part of something wonderful between you both. But she could not participate. I encourage you to move towards a more compassionate view of your mum. Clearly, she hasnt an understanding of what motherhood requires for a crisis such as you had. See her more as a fellow human being at these moments, and not just as your mum. This may help you see her in adifferent light.
Its also OK for you to adjust your "boundaries". Forgiveness is one thing - its possible for you to do this - but please don;t think that you must put yourself in a position to be let down again. Trust is precious and must be earned. Perhaps you resist forgiving because you think you will have to place yourself in a vulnerable position with her again, knowing you'll be let down. You may wish to move up in your own world and be a bit of a "mum" to yourself. take on some of that nurturing yourself - you know you'll always be kind and loving toward you! And make sure you do. Its important to realise that as an adult you dont have to give your trust out arbitrarily. This doesnt mean being uncivil or distant. Its just means managing your boundaries, and making sure you are in control of where you begin and others end.
Every time that mind-movie comes into your head Amanda, remind yourself that your mum is just a human being with limitations, that she did the best she could at the time, that the only person you can change is you and that you certainly cant change the past. You dont have to be that vulnerable again, and the greatest gift you can give yourself is to let your mum off the hook. She is never going to be able to make up for what happened. Nothing she could do, even if she wanted to, would take away the past.
Sometimes we resist forgiving because we feel its a huge blessing we are giving for free to someone who has done nothing to deserve it, and which they may never acknowledge or understand. Forgiving your mum is not a gift you are giving the undeserving. Its a gift you are giving yourself. Its a gift of peace, joy, acceptance and love. Its a present not to her - but to YOU! I hope this helps to make it easier for you.
Praying for you, hope you continue in good health and well-being!
Blessings,
Jo Smile

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Thank you Jo for your incredibly insuightful reply to my conundrum, its sounds like you are well versed in forgiveness especiallyw iht those who are oblivious to their wrong doing.

I have managed since this time to set some boundaries with my Mum to ensure when she is around life does not fall apart. Just the other day she decided to drop in, she normally stays overnight and I told her that our baby had just moved into his room and we don;t have anywhere for her to stay unless she wnated to sleep in one of the kids rooms. Sadly I knew this would make her retreat, but on a good note the visit was short and sweet and only slightly stale by the time she left.

I have decided the best thing I can do is be the best mum for my kids so they never have to experience the disappointment I have had. My husband and I are very attentative parents, our mothers are never around but our kids will always have us to appreciate them Smile

I think you are right I need to forgive her as a human being, it doesn't mean I have to frogive her actions or accept them as ok. She is still my Mum but its is what it is and there is nothing I could say or do to change that.

tahnks again Smile

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Hi
I'm also fascinated by the link bw cancer and emotional trauma. My parents divorced at 10. I stopped seeing my father at 16 and haven't seen him since (I'm 37). He was a very abusive. I had 10 years of counseling after a nervous break down at 21. My step father is a wonderful man and unfortunately has bipolar disorder and is often suicidal. This causes a huge emotional strain on my family and I am often the peace maker and one to drop everything when my mum and dad are doing it tough. I guess you can say life is not always easy. So at 36 my tumour appeared.
When I was getting my stitches and staples out weeks after surgery a nurse asked me what my life was like prior to getting cancer. She said it was astounding how many patients had trauma or loss bf cancer. You have to wonder don't you?
so if this is the case, how do we all learn to let go?

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There is a saying, you can pick your friends but you can't pick your family! I am the youngest and my father died when I was 22. I've always run around after everyone including my mum (opposite of what most people think about the youngest).

The counsellor I saw during treatment, identified that I needed help with coping and to learn to say "no". She also advised its not the best idea to write people off or to make decisions on the "outer" ie. when you are sick or angry. Wait for a cooling off or neutral period and then make a decision/choice.

We cannot control other's behavior, only our own. So I've lowered my expectation knowing that those nearest and dearest are trying to help in their "own" way.

I think friends, family and cancer perception in the media is somewhat skewed. The focus is on funding and research and I understand it is very important.

The reality is that people don't know what to say, how to act or what to do for someone going through treatment and after no matter how close. Unless you have been "through cancer", they can't understand. We are anomalies, we have faced death and survived. We are not in hospital.

I have to say the level of care I received of excellent and I couldn't speak more highly of everyone on the treatment team.

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Again, I thought I'd comment even though I'm not a cancer survivor but have had a similar experience.

Some may have read that in 2006, I had a major motorcycle accident in which I certainly could have died. After my accident, my mum flew from Perth (hates flying too) within a day to be by my side in hospital. My dad on the other hand, not a word. My parents are divorced and my dad was quite abusive when I was younger so I didn't hold high expectations for him. But he didn't fly over, he didn't call (he did call my mother to ask how my cats were o_O), didn't send flowers. Nothing. While in therapy not long after, I completely broke down, absolutely devastated at my dads lack of giving a shit. It seemed he didn't care whether I lived or died and I couldn't comprehend how a parent could be like that.

My mum was just amazing, caring for me when I couldn't even move and then sensing my growing independence, flew back to Perth and continued to support me from afar. I adore my mum for being there for me when I needed her and for being my mum.

I, too, wondered how could I ever forgive my father. My therapist asked me why I felt that I needed to? Why did I have to forgive him? Why could I not just accept that that is who he is? He has always been a narcissistic selfish bastard so why would he change now? She helped me understand that we feel disappointment because someone hasn't lived up to our expectations of what they should do, instead of accepting them for who they are based on previous behaviour. Once I accepted that he would never change, my emotional reaction disappeared. And I felt I didn't feel pressured to forgive him but just accept what is and with acceptance came forgiveness because they anger was gone. Forgiveness doesn't mean forgetting, it just means accepting something you cannot change.
I choose what relationship I have with my dad, not the other way around. It's all on my terms now and its because I have forgiven myself.

On another note, I thoroughly believe in the trauma causing cancer. My husband Rob endured a tumultuous 5 year relationship which caused him to bottle so much anger and hurt for so long, because he didn't want to leave his son. Once he left and he found happiness with me, he was able to release a lot of that bottled up emotion and be who he wanted to be. A year and a half after we got together, his cancer reared its head and I can only wonder if all that anger, hurt and pain bottled has manifested itself in his cancer.

I look forward to the book Loralee Smile

Jo

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Hey Jo,

Thanks you for your response. Its interesting that your therapist helped you with acceptance and in turn forgiveness, I am currently seeing a psych who is guiding me to the same place. I do have alot of built up anger and certainly my husband and I (both in remission) have experienced our fair share of hurt and in turn anger so I do agree that there is something to the whole anger and cancer thing.

I have also been exploring eastern philosophy to guide me in the right direction, you are so right that we have high expectations that when our life is on the line those who have wronged will right for a change.

Loralee's book is now for sale, she has unfortunately been diagnosed for the 4th time recently and I am sure would love to know you are interested in her book and story.

thanka again XX Amanda

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Hi Amanda,

In relation to support from family and friends during cancer treatment,I found the emotional aftermath of cancer the most difficult experience of all. I could deal with surgery, chemo and radio but I was ill equiped to deal with the disappointment of what I thought were close relationships with some family and friends, relationships that proved to be not as strong as I believed.

I found that discovering the weaknesses not the strengths of some relationships, heartbreaking.

I believe I went through a mourning process for the loss of the relationship with my sister, a sister I had always believed would be there for me, but she wasn't. We still talk, not as often, I can't feel the same closeness, and this really cuts me to the bone. I taught my son, to love his family, family will be there to love and to help you when you need it, I believed that myself. Now I realise that I have to re-evaluate those ideals.

Some friends disappeared, maybe because most of my energy was concentrated on treatment and I had little left for socialising, or maybe because they didn't know what to say, I don't know for sure.

I lost my sense of humour for a time, not many understand what it feels like to loose the humour in life, but to me it was important.

I went on a search for "ME", I read books, I went to forums about "Living well after cancer" and to "A day with Petrea King", I joined a support group (which I highly recommend)and I joined this website.

I still have a way to go but I am feeling stronger and happier with each new day.

Cancer changes the direction of your life, it is a sudden change, most of us find change of any kind hard to cope with but I guess learning to adapt our behaviour and responses to others behaviour, ultimately will benefit our own mindset and health.

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